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'Evelyn M[ase or Mandela] / K.D. Matanzima', audio recording of interviews with Kaiser Matanzima , Rusty Bernstein and Evelyn Mandela, née Mase, by Sampson and others, [1990s]

MS. Sampson dep. 264/31
From a box entitled 'Mandela biog. tapes'. Comprises:
  1. 00.00.00-00.38.00 Sampson interviewing Kaiser Matanzima, Mandela's nephew and Paramount Chief of the Thembu, about the struggle for independence, his relationship with Mandela and his differences of opinion with Mandela; the distinguishing characteristics of the Thembu royal family and his physical similarity to Mandela [Interviewee is very faint – continued at end of tape]
  2. 00.38.02-00.46.53 Sampson in conversation with (Lionel) Rusty Bernstein and his wife, Hilda, over lunch, reminiscing about the ANC's change of policy from non-violence to violence, how it was reported in England, changes post-Sharpeville, and their attempts to attend the Congress of the People even though they were banned.
  3. 00.46.54-01.24.20 Anthony Sampson, Sally Sampson and an unidentified man interviewing Evelyn, first wife of Nelson Mandela, about her life as a Jehovah's Witness, her marriage to Mandela, current crime in South African society, democratic changes in South Africa, and her attitude towards current politics [there is very little input from Evelyn]
  4. 01.24.38-01.33.28 Sampson in conversation with Matanzima relating to his disagreements with Mandela over the Transkei, and reflecting on his decisions with hindsight
Running time 01.33.45 hours.


  • [1990s]


1 item

Language of Materials

  • English

Conditions Governing Access



MS. Sampson dep. 264/31

Existence and Location of Copies

The audio cassette has been digitized as MS. Sampson digital 48.

Physical Facet

Format: compact audio cassette

Repository Details

Part of the Bodleian Libraries Repository

Weston Library
Broad Street
Oxford OX1 3BG United Kingdom